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<brain> ok latest?
<Fury161> 2nd tower fell
<Fury161> plane apparently on way to Wash
<p> plane on it's way to washington
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<david> are yous watching it on tv ?
<Fury161> yes
<Fury161> ITN on here
<huey> i got someone on the phone here watching 
<Fury161> well listenign to it
<huey> jesus
<Anakin> there's been no confirmation of an explosion in washington yet
<Fury161> this is incredible
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<Fury161> I really cant believe what im watching
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<Gav> i hear white  house is on fire, anyone got link to this ?
<Anakin> that dust cloud is fucking huge..
<pazzy> hi there
<Fury161> o confirmation about the white house
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<brain> guess its a bit early to talk death toll?
<bubble> the uk is deciding to stop flights it appears.
<Gav> jeepers
<Moridin> germany has already
<Fury161> there is a "grand stop" in th eUS
<Anakin> hundreds quite possibly thousands dead
<huey> US allgidly grounded ALL 15,000 planes in US
<Moridin> yep
<Fury161> == all flights anywhere are halted
<Gav> phone lines in new york gone down seemingly...
<bubble> and that plane according to RTE is going to the whitehouse despite it being evacuated.
<huey> girl in manhatten says atm 3000 estimated dead but that was before 2nd tower went
<Anakin> germany has stopped all flights to the us
<Fury161> My sistes best friend works in Manhatten
<Moridin> which plane?
<bubble> the 4th plane.
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<pazzy> this is really awful
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<minds> This is nuts indeed
<schmo> what's the latest?
<Fury161> surely the plane on the way to wash will be stopped?
<p> latest is plane on it's way to washington
<minds> Any news on that aeroplane heading to washington?
<p> how do you shoot down a plane over a populated area
<Moridin> there's gotta be a fuckload of USAF about there
<minds> That's probably going to be shot out of the sky regardless
<bubble> if they stop it, the risk more death than if they let it go there.
<bubble> yeah.
<Fury161> though the distance betwwen the cities is too short for the militray to scramble
<pazzy> there is a report of a car bomb going off outside the state dept.
<Moridin> yea, but they won't let the white house get touched
<huey> any report on how far away that plane is from washington?
<minds> Jeez.
<Moridin> it's a symbol
<Gav> whitehouse has sam's seemingly ?
<Fury161> SO was the trade centre
<minds> Whitehouse sells chips
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<Fury161> and its gone
<Anakin> 5 minutes now id say
<bubble> RTE went on an AD break! Fuck's sake!
<p> whitehouse is empty - evacuated
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<Moridin> they couldn't stop the one at the wtc!
<huey> all are lingus flights for the us have turned back for home
<Fury161> hang on
<stimpy> word
<Anakin> uk planes prob to be grounded
<Fury161> latest on ITN
<Moridin> they've had an hour or more since
<pazzy> so wait - there is another pale heading toward washington?!?!
<Moridin> yes
<bubble> yeah.
<Dv8> christ
<Fury161> theyve scramlbed planes
<stimpy> how far away is it?
<huey> allegidly 3 planes not respoinging to communication requests
<Fury161> obviously to intercept the plane
<Anakin> the capitol is still intact anyway
<Fury161> who the FUCK could have done all this?
<bubble> apparently less than 7 mins away.
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<huey> THIS is a jihad
<Fury161> who has the coordination ?
<fatwa> will they shoot it down if theere are peple on it? i mean passengers?
<tibor> fuck me jebus this is crazy shit.
<Anakin> osama bin laden
<Fury161> you tink ?
<schmo> they'll have to shoot it down
<Anakin> or palestinians who are pretty desperate right now
<Fury161> they have to shoot it donwn
<huey> How could NO ONE in the US Intelligence circles NOT know about ANY Of this
<stimpy> does it have passengaers aboard?
<Fury161> it wont come down itself
<Fury161> maybe its another pearl harbour?
<Fury161> someone knew but wasnt believed?
<huey> "Statiscally the worst attack on the US since pearl harbour"
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<Fury161> I mean how would you react to that theory
<Anakin> canary wharf has been evacuated
<huey> News says reason the towers went down was cause the planes crashing were co ordinated with car bombs
<Fury161> london is safe
<stimpy> would they shoot down the plane if it had passengers on it.. or are there none?
<Fury161> they wont attack london
<Fury161> yes they would
<Fury161> and should
<Fury161> these are kamakazes
<stimpy> fair enuff
<Fury161> if theyre not shot down theyll continue towards their target
<Fury161> theses are jsust missiles with jett engines
<fatwa> part of the pentagon has collapsed ( cnn )
<huey> pentagon gone
<minds> one of the planes was an American Airlines 767 - 300 people room
<Fury161> what ?
<schmo> any news site working at the moment
<Fury161> pentagon ?
<minds> that's nuts
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<Fury161> what do you mean gone /
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<minds> ananova is working (kind of)
<fatwa> fourth explosion at the trade center ( cnn)
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<Fury161> how many people are in here?
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<p> the US had an alert out on all US embassys and buildings since last week - they knew something was up - juts not what it was
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<skyhawk> whaty kind of planes were these?
<skyhawk> y
<Fury161> really?
<minds> 21 peeps on
<thayl> 737.
<thayl> I heard.
<Fury161> they knew?????
<minds> One was a 767
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<skyhawk> whats the death tool so far? 3 planes and the world trade centor jesus
<Moridin> one was a 767
<Fury161> 50,000 are employed in the world trade centre
<tibor> ur talking what? maybe 70/80 thousand at this stage ?
<thayl> In each one?
<thayl> They both collapsed
<Fury161> in total
<p> nah,
<p> alot would've escaped
<Fury161> stilll....
<tibor> but all in like..
<skyhawk> anyone clame resposponsibility?
<Fury161> not much time to react
<stimpy> how many in pentagon?
<tibor> pentagon etc taken into a/c
<Fury161> imagine the panic
<p> i'd say out of all the stuff maybe 5000
<tibor> i'd say at least 60k
<thayl> Anybody watching it live>
<thayl> ?
<Fury161> what about this other plane?
<thayl> Smoke all over NY.
<Anakin> that plane must be at washington by now
<tibor> umm, if the building collapsed kev? 
<Fury161> yeah- i am 
<skyhawk> when they find out who did this therell be war
<p> planw crashed in pitsburg
<Anakin> large plane has crashed souteast of pittsburgh
<pazzy> pentagon has collapsed
<Fury161> if its afghanistan - then  it will be WW3
<skyhawk> anakin -> your watching sky arent ya 
<Fury161> pentagon has collapsed?????
<Anakin> course i am
<p> what's in pitsburg?
<skyhawk> me too
<Fury161> Im watvching the terrestrial TV here
<pazzy> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6714&NCID=10
<Anakin> one side of the pentagon has collapsed
<skyhawk> maybe they shot down the one heading for washington
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<lickylip> well The end of the pentagan just collapsed
<Fury161> car bpmb has exploded outside senate
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<Fury161> plane has crashed in pensalvania
<Gav> 767 and 737's
<thayl> Shot down or crashed?
<Fury161> dunno
<Fury161> uncofrmed
<Gav> fg
<Fury161> bugger - i can barely type here
<fatwa> the one in pittsburgh, P|A was supposed to be a 747
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<lickylip> this is fucked up...anyone know what address are closed off now?
<p> have we got peopel watching every channel here?
<p> i've watching UTV
<Fury161> same here
<Moridin> cnn
<Anakin> i've got sky news, bbc i think have coverage too
<p> anyone watching bbc/ret?
<Fury161> everyione has coverage
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<Moridin> cnn have said fuck all about the 4th plane
<Fury161> amazingly den2 is running
<stimpy> what's teh latest on that plane coming toward White House?
<Moridin> except that the pentagon are monitoring it
<Fury161> is it heading towards the white house htough ?
<lickylip> there is a tv in the next office, just stopped watching
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<huey> where was that plane shot down
<huey> anyone?
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<Moridin> it was shot down?
<p> not defo shot down
<Anakin> shit did anyone just see that on sky, when the plane hit this morning a huge chunk of the wtc hitting the ground
<p> plane down in pitsburg though
<stimpy> plane SHOT DOWN in pitsburg?
<skyhawk> jesus i just saw the scond plane hit the trade center
<Moridin> what was goin on in pittsburg/
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<stimpy> or crashed?
<fluffy> plane down as in shot down?
<Fury161> where abotu is pittsburg though in terms of NY and wash ?
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<thayl> Also on the East coast.
<thayl> I think.
<fatwa> pittsburg is sought of Ny
<Fury161> ah right
<thayl> Pits is between NY and DC I think.
<fatwa> south, even...and it's quite near washingtonDC
<Fury161> jesus
<Gav> Did they shoot th e plane down that was flying to washington, in pittsburgh ? what source ?
<fatwa> yasser arrafta has condemed the attacks.
<stimpy> is it true there are now 6 hijacked planes flying?
<p> it's just assumption, no confirmation yet
<Fury161> I dont think anyeone knows anything at this stage
<p> nothing on tv bout it stimpy
<Fury161> 6 planes - thats has to be rumour
<mellow> Another plane crash in Pensylvania
<fatwa> yeah, it said on the news there is one still flying.
<Anakin> one of the planes that hit the trade center was a boston to la plane
<thayl> Mellow, where'd you see this?
<bubble> isn't pittsburg in pensylvania?
<mellow> mebbe.
<minds> yes
<bubble> then it's the same thing.
<mellow> I just joined, and typing inn things that one of the guys in the office is saying.
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<mellow> he hasn't been wrong so far. . .
<lickylip> anyone know a news site that is still working?
<fatwa> bin ladan said he would attack three weeks ago, and us embassies were put on alert 10 days ago
<minds> ananova was
<thayl> Imagine the amount of "global unrest" this will cause.
<stimpy> www.sky.com/skynews
<skyhawk> sky.com
<schmo> sky.com/news
<mcbain> is de intornet broken ? 
<minds> yers
<minds> tis
<Fury161> this is a new cold war
<fatwa> it's not so cold
<Fury161> no one will get into America now for a long time
<bubble> cold war? it's plain all out war?
<huey> this is anything but cold
<minds> pretty hot for a cold war
<skyhawk> the economy is gonna go through the floor
<thayl> For a cool pic of Bin Laden check www.fbi.gov
<thayl> He's in the top ten.
<mcbain> was there ever a warm war  ? 
<stimpy> u think?.. more like beginings of WW3
<lickylip> nah...sky isgone
<Gav> this is scarily ww3 initiating, literaly
<huey> Canary wharf hasveen evaced - no one there either
<stimpy> as Nostrodamus predicted :}
<Fury161> ffs - hoep to god its not ww3
<mcbain> fire  , fir e
<pazzy> this is awful
<mellow> Silver Birds falling from the sky, and some blue prince from persia is gonig to start the worst of all . . a 20 year war.
<Gav> steady on there karl....
<stimpy> that's the one
<Gav> :)
<mellow> that's nostradamus I think.
<Fury161> what ?
<thayl> Did you just remember that?
<Fury161> melolow - you for real?
<mcbain> see that second tower go down 
<thayl> Holy jesus man.:)
<Fury161> silver birds 
<Fury161> fuck!
<mcbain> reminded me of RAMPAGE 
<stimpy> fuck!
<mcbain> that game rocked
<Anakin> another plane heading for washington
<mcbain> ugh ugh 
<bubble> hardly the place...
<Fury161> jesus - mcbain - shut the fuck up
<stimpy> ANOTHER?!
<mellow> That's what Nostradamus said. .  I remember it from the video that was out.
<schmo> stil nothing on the plane?
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<Anakin> watcfh sky NOW
<Fury161> why ?
<fatwa> death told expected to bein teh thousands...
<mcbain> rarr
<Fury161> I dont have sky
<Anakin> plane over wash
<skyhawk> just saw a plane
<stimpy> it's not shot down yet?
<Fury161> well what do you do ?
<skyhawk> they have missiles on the roof of white house
<Fury161> so 
<Fury161> if htey are partriots then they ownt work
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<mcbain> fds
<Fury161> SAMs arent perfect
<fatwa> they have fighters up in the air...they will work
<Fury161> maybe
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<mcbain> just a bit
<Fury161> but theres not much time
<minds> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6714&NCID=10
<Anakin> it's over wash, it's gonna crash into something big no matter what happens
<mcbain> I dont thik its the hardest to shoot down a piss ass comm plane
<marvin> this is the busiest I've seen
<marvin> this room
<stimpy> if it's shot down it could cause more damage
<marvin> whats this anotther plane?
<Fury161> and then _where_ would it crash if shot down
<Anakin> holy fuck 29 ppl here
<Fury161> are you surprised?
<Moridin> the pittsburg plane flew into a building 
<Fury161> this is big
<Moridin> wasn't shot down
<Fury161> what buildlign though ?
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<Moridin> they hacen't said
<Fury161> hang on - where is the FBI HQ?
<fatwa> what the fuck are teh americans going to do???
<Anakin> washington for fbi
<Moridin> sky seem to be on top of it moreso than teh us channels
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<bubble> Nothing so far.
<Fury161> theres eomethign in pitsburgh 
<minds> ananove not working anymore
<Gav> rte.ie are'nt doing too badly
<fatwa> they're going to nuke norther korea, afgahnistan, and palestine
<Anakin> sky are using lots of cbs coverage
<Fury161> pray to god they dont nuke
<Anakin> fighterjets are patrolling around wash
<Fury161> prey to yer fucking god
<Moridin> some guy in afgan said weeks ago he was going to attack teh us on a scale unprecedented
<Gav> don't be so melodramitic fury
<Anakin> it would be very hard to hijack a plane and get a nuke on...
<Fury161> im not being melodramatic
<Fury161> im praying that nukes are not used
<Fury161> because if they are then we'll feel part of the fallout
<p> well one or two bombs went off in the world trade towers
<p> after the planes crashed
<Fury161> there are bomb oinvolved now ?
<p> yea, that's what caused the towers to fall
<Moridin> I'd say tehy were ont eh planes
<Anakin> reports of the car bomb near state department are being denied
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<Fury161> apparently peopel weere throwing thmselves from the trade centre windows
<Moridin> yea
<stimpy> so there are fighter jets escorting that plane over Washington?!?
<Gav> Bombs in the pentagon accoring to rte
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<minds> I don't think you'd need to do that yourself, Fury
<thayl> It's crazy how much this is gonna affect the whole world.
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<marvin> innit
<thayl> And not just the states,
<fluffy> there are tanks on the streets of new york, friends wife is in brooklin watching
<Fury161> tanks ?
<p> wow
<Fury161> you sure?
<stimpy> oil prices have gone up already
<thayl> Imagine the looting that's gonna start?
<skyhawk> global meltdown
<Fury161> i can see new york going under martial law though
<thayl> Somebody check the Irish pound against the dollar.
<stimpy> time to build that shelter...
<Anakin> global meltdown won't happen
<skyhawk> economic meltdown?
<Fury161> the stock markets have been frozen for now i believe
<Anakin> all the major stock exchanges are closed and even before that the attack didn't appear to hit the ftse too hard
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<marvin> 1.14
<p> I wonder if this is teh end of it
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<x> Hello all
<tibor> any news on that plane ?
<tibor> the one going for wasahington?
<p> the ftse was droppinf loads according ot the news
<skyhawk> nothing new right now
<tibor> must be downed by now ?
<marvin> yeah but it's closed now
<skyhawk> sky shwoed a jet flying over washington
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<keno> my boss keeps saying nostradamous predicted big steel planes falling out of the sky before ww3...
<Anakin> hte ftse dropped 200 points but it did that yesterady too so ignore that
<minds> ftse shot down loads yesterday too
<minds> Er, yep *sorry*
<thayl> Well tomorrow the dollar will be cheap.
<p> ahhh
<thayl> Gotta go.
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<stimpy> ya Nostradamus is yer only man 
<Fury161> well i hope hes wrong
<tibor> we're through the looking glass here people!
<tibor> :}~
<stimpy> he wasn't about Hitler
<keno> hehe
<skyhawk> reports of another plane outside pitsburgh
<Fury161> h ewas
<Anakin> the pentagon is mostly intact except at one side
<stimpy> that's 2 or 3 planes outside pitsburgh?
<Fury161> that articleds on hitler are very open to interpretation
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<skyhawk> i should have said downd outside pitsburgh
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<skyhawk> any aircraft not on the ground will be shot down apparently
<minds> There's a lot of reverse "prediction" with regards to Nostradamus
<Fury161> well theres nothing on ITN about any pitsburgh crash
<minds> From where skyhawk
<minds> What's the source?
<skyhawk> sky
<skyhawk> i'm watching it live
<Fury161> you can read aanythign youwant in Nostrodamus' writing
<p> minds - there has been load sth epitsburg/pensylvania is defo down
<p> nothing more on it though
<keno> ye, nostradamous is a load of crap as far as I'm concerned - studpid boss!
<Fury161> could that have been coincidence?
<Fury161> the pitsburgh thing
<p> doubt it
<p> how many planes crash in a day
<lickylip> well if nostradamous is right then there probably is an afterlife so I dont mind dying in a war
<Fury161> true
<stimpy> canary wharf has been evacuated.. or is that SO 5 mins ago? ;)
<Fury161> well id say they wotn attack london
<Fury161> this is an attack on the US
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<stimpy> and it's allies?
<keno> if there's an afterlife 90% of us are going to hell imo
<tibor> nothing anywhere about that plane headed for washington?
<Fury161> well why waste time on allies 
<stimpy> surely an atack on allies of Israel?
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<Fury161> when you can hit the heart 
<tibor> or are we to presume it was shot down ?
<skyhawk> tihnk of the people on the planes jesus
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<Anakin> the plane for wash must be shot down or we woulda heard somethng by now
<Anakin> vladimir putin has expressed sympathy to the us
<Gav> rte has gone down
<minds> we should have heard something about it either way, regardless Anakin
<p> maybe the usaf are waiting for the PR company so the can put a spin on shooting it down
<Fury161> this is  atest for Russia though
<stimpy> plane crashed into RTE? :}
<Fury161> if there is a striek - bho wwil Russia react ?
<Fury161> they have a lot of business in the EASst
<stimpy> prolly
<d7v> www.rte.ie was rebooted, can you believe the idiots left in my absence
<Fury161> "how will Russia react" even
<Anakin> sky news are syaing another hijacked plane heading for wash
<Fury161> Another?
<Fury161> how many of these fucking things are in the sky?
<p> oh dear
<Anakin> yes another
<skyhawk> how fucking many are there
<stimpy> so that's 2 planes heading for Washington.. 2 in Pittsburgh?
<p> it might be the same one
<bubble> With all the hollywood movies about this sort of thing, it makes you think, 'what if this is just so they can invade somewhere, or rob somewhere like fort knox while the world is distracted.
<Fury161> This is confusing 
<Fury161> god only knows how the authorities are reacting
<skyhawk> fighter planes are patrolling washington anyway
<p> i doubt the guards in fort knox are distracted that much
<fluffy> Tom clancy wrote a book where tyey crashed in to the government building didnt he
<Anakin> mayor of ny has called for evacuation of lower manhatten
<lickylip> ahh so arrest tom clancy
<Fury161> well they should
<stimpy> so barry, you think this is an elobarate hoax so that Fort Knowx can be robbed? ;)
<p> look at the clouds of smoke after the 1st collapse
<Fury161> what about Wall streeet - now theres a symbol !
<skyhawk> how did this happen? 3 hijacked planes?
<p> http://www.ananova.com/images/news/wt_collapse140x140.jpg
<Fury161> Have they closed down wall street?
<p> yes
<Fury161> have they checked for devices there?
<bubble> I just mean, it's like.. what purpose? The US are bound to retaliate will full force?
<Fury161> wall street's as much as a symbol as trade towers
<Anakin> walled st was shut down immediatly after the 1st crash, the markets mustn't have even opened at that stage
<p> you can't retalliate against a group that have no fixed base
<Fury161> well again, afhghanistan (sp)
<Anakin> yeah but the nyse is only a smallish building
<p> you can't bomb the whole country
<Fury161> whats the name of their terrorist group
<huey> this is as close as ur gonna get to bombing a country
<huey> this is the biggest terrorist attack ever
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<p> prolly osam bin laden's group - no definate claim yet though
<Fury161> the country is one big terrorist HG
<lickylip> the croud that said they did it also said that they didnt
<minds> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395797.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre
<skyhawk> sky is running the banenr another hijacked plane heading for washingont?
<Anakin> faa says many planes still unaccounted for
<skyhawk> several planes unaccounted for accorgint to FAA
<minds> That could mean another one seperate from the WTC + Pentagon or more than one
<Anakin> federal aviation authority
<skyhawk> exactly :)
<stimpy> totl planes at this stage: one crashed, two in Washington, 2 in Pittsburgh.. this right?
<Fury161> surely they have treacking devices for commercial airlines ?
<minds> Called radar?
<minds> ;)
<Anakin> lets not forget 2 in ny
<Fury161> yyou know what i mena
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<Fury161> adside from radar :-P
<stimpy> 2 crashed.. sorry ;)
<Anakin> i hear something about an attack on camp david in the background on fox..
<Gav> aye, that was just said here too
<stimpy> I'd say this has been well planned for years
<Fury161> ITN seems to be jsut dancing around the same news
<Fury161> they useless
<minds> It's pretty big news in fairness
<Fury161> have any other buildings collapsed in NY
<skyhawk> nope
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<Fury161> well theres been no mention of any of the wash stuff on ITN
<Fury161> you sure?
<Fury161> theres a lot of metal in the trade Cnetres
<p> what's it about cmap david, what channel?
<stimpy> Fox
<Anakin> euro parlament evacuated
<p> second plane into pentagon
<huey> what?
<Fury161> in the city itself?
<lickylip> sure??
<huey> another pentagon plane?
<stimpy> into the damn building?!?
<p> yep
<p> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6724&NCID=10
<Fury161> channel fous has spootteed a unidentifyied jumo inwash
<Fury161> four even
<Fury161> jumbo jet even
<Gav> jeesus christ
<Anakin> that footage on c4 was on ages ago
<Fury161> well its was just htere now
<Fury161> i saw the footage
<stimpy> where's the jumbo?
<Gav> sky are reporting that there are a number of planes un accounted for
<stimpy> btw.. why would pittsburgh be targetted?
<Fury161> are there any admin buildings in pits?
<huey> myy guess is the pittsburg one was shot down,nothing of significance in pittsburg is there?
<skyhawk> look at theses fuckers on sky getting there faces on tv
<skyhawk> head of wtc handing out business cards
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<Fury161> i think there is some FBI buillding in pitsb
<Fury161> not sure though
<stimpy> anymore on that jumbo?
<Fury161> not that i cna tell
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<Fury161> they keep talkign to terrorism epxerts
<skyhawk> 100000 people per tour
<paws> hi :/
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<p> hi?
<fatoni> Hey.
<skyhawk> that should be 10000
<p> huh even?
<p> per tour?
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<bubble> tower?
<skyhawk> tower
<Anakin> per tower
<p> into the building?
<p> into the rubble more like
<pazzy> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6725&NCID=10
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<paws> watching the second tower collapse was horrifying
<stimpy> gotta say that site is very good
<skyhawk> so thats about 20000 for both and about 5000 visitor so 25000 for world trade center alone
<marvin> according to ireland.com 40000 work in the wtc
<bubble> yeah, but would they all be there?
<bilco> I hope RTE will have all these Videos on the news for when I get home - It must be amazing (in a bad way)
<skyhawk> the director is on sky roght now and he says 10000 per building
<Fury161> I can see NY and wash falling under martial law btw
<lickylip> 25000 in each
<paws> 9am monday morning, yes
<Fury161> it has to happen
<Anakin> it's 50000 work there but there was an evac after the first hit, there was a difference of 20 minutes between crashes
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<paws> not many tourists I guess, but full working day
<fatoni> is there any word on Boston?
<p> nope
<Fury161> Bowton ?
<stimpy> "US closes germ warfare lab".. jesus 
<Fury161> whats happening there?
<fatoni> SOmeone mentioned a bomb in Boston
<bubble> apprently a third building has collapsed
<bubble> beside the wtc.
<homerj> where ?
<bubble> *tries to find confirmation*
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<Gav> don't think anything happened in boston...
<Gav> my sister is there and phoned to say things there were ok
<Dv8> the planes flew from boston
<paws> is that hijacked plane still heading towards washington?
<Anakin> the taliban have called a news conference..
<Anakin> for 4:30
<paws> I guess they shot down the one in Pittsburgh
<fatoni> eh?
<Fury161> they have?
<Anakin> their ambassador to pakistan has called it
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<Anakin> they are the nuts who run afganistan
<bilco> Shot down an Airplane ?
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<Fury161> ah yeha i kno w- the taliban
<david> whats latest ?
<paws> there was a large plane crash outside Pitssburgh
<Anakin> i'm sure the us would love the excuse to kill the lot of them.. these are the guys who banned sports
<homerj> So they reckon Taliban are responsible?
<minds> Apparently a school has been hit by debris from the WTC, and another building has collapsed (maybe the school)
<paws> I guess it was heading towards Pentagon as well
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<Fury161> no one knwos where its heading .....
<Fury161> thats the thing
<Anakin> what si the cobra committee?
<skyhawk> soon find out
<p> hehe
<Fury161> hopefully not
<p> meh it's only the UK
<huey> cobra what now
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<minds> George W Bush has vowed to "hunt down" the terrorists responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington
<paws> theyve also evacuated lots in London
<marvin> wonderful
<hippy> lksd
<minds> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395837.html
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<Anakin> lots of fire trucks putting out eh fire in pentagon
<tibor> http://www.ummah.net/dharb/
<Fury161> well one side of it has collapsed
<Fury161> a plane apparently crashed into a heli pad
<minds> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6729&NCID=10
<pazzy> I head that it's not just a pile of rubble
<hippy> another one crashed into the pentagon
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<Fury161> another plane?
<hippy> yup
<Fury161> you sure?
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<paws> what just now?
<Anakin> where is the info on the other plane into pentagon coming from?
<tibor> yeh
<tibor> 2 in pentagon
<hippy> check out online.ie
<Fury161> what happened?
<paws> fuck
<p> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/default.asp?NCID=10
<hippy> how do i get back in here ?
<hippy> when i need to come back
<hippy> whats the command like ?
<marvin> fg
<tibor> BitchX irc.redbrick.dcu.ie
<hippy> k
<hippy> brb
<minds> All federal buildings are closed
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<stimpy> doh 
<Fury161> all airports in canada have been shut down
<Anakin> i'm not going to believe what online.ie is saying, i saw a picture it a few minutes ago and it looked mostly ok
<fluffy> all in bound flights to america are diverted to canada
<Anakin> the emergency command center for new york was beside the trade center
<citiabm> exit
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<Moridin> yea, it looked like they were getting the pentagon thisn under control
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<Gav> the irishguidelive is very good
<Anakin> do any sites have mirrors of cnn?
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<paws> this makes Bush's son of star wars defence system look like a joke
<pazzy> yeah - the irishguidelive is staying up
<fatoni> so is it only the wtc (and adjoining rubble) and the penagon?
<Fury161> well yeah
<Fury161> son of star wars will get the go ahead
<minds> http://www.hardocp.com/new_img_01/sept/091101b.html
<paws> fat lot of use it would have been
<Fury161> true
<Gav> aye, starwars is going to get the go ahead now
<colmmacc> no good though
<Fury161> but it will be seen as vindication
<p> surely it would be fucked now?
<Gav> aye, but now the threat is so much realer
<Fury161> although
<marvin> but starwars wouldn't prevent this threat
<Fury161> you donthink .....
<colmmacc> what would ?
<Moridin> boom
<paws> i dont see how they could have prevented that...it was so vulnerable in hindsight
<pazzy> would anyone belived an attact of this scale could have been carried out 
<minds> http://www.hardocp.com/new_img_01/sept/091101a.html
<Fury161> i mean, they couldnt have known nothing about his
<stimpy> what are the chances strikes are going to hit the west coast?
<airbag> hon the palestinians
<paws> always expect the worst
<Fury161> not likely - whats in the west coast?
<marvin> la
<marvin> Seattle
<Fury161> whats in LA?
<paws> Silicon bvalley with a nuke..?
<marvin> cokane and kpodesta
<marvin> !
<p> i wouldn't says there's anymore
<Fury161> yeah - but there are no symbols
<colmmacc> theyre fine
<stimpy> big cities wil be targetted
<Anakin> i'm able to get europe.cnn.com now,  it looks like they've cut out all other content
<p> they clearly wen t for the airplane approach
<p> unless there's more in the air then nothing will happen
<Moridin> ya think?
<Moridin> ;)
<stimpy> what makes u think that? ;)
<Fury161> naw - they targettted the wtc : centre if capitilism
<pazzy> latest news on TV3 (sourced via cnn):
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<pazzy> both towers have completely collapsed
<pazzy> part of pentagon collapsed and on fire
<pazzy> state dept. - unknown but evacuated
<pazzy> all federal buildings evacuated
<pazzy> a rumour that there is still one hijacked plane in the air (??)
<pazzy> all flights in us grounded
<pazzy> inbound international flights diverted to canada
<Fury161> and the pentagon : amercian military
<Anakin> 81 passengers on 1 plane
<Moridin> they should have taken out the NY SE
<Moridin> that would have hurt a LOT
<airbag> is there some plane that is in the air at the mo headin for DC?
<stimpy> 156 on another plane
<Moridin> supposidly
<Fury161> I got up at two and the first thing i saw was the airplane ihit the wtc
<paws> no, because then you couldn't have had the means for a crash of the SE :)
<Fury161> when i turned on th eTV
<minds> What's the story with the Washington plane?
<Anakin> only one plane hit the pentagon
<minds> Two
<minds> One was small, one wasn;t
<Anakin> 4 planes confirmed hijacked - they've all crashed already
<Anakin> http://europe.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html
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<minds> Another one has hit apparently.
<minds> The first was small, yes?
<stimpy> no more news on WASHINGTON plane?
<minds> Any news?
<colmmacc> yeah, what they send F16 after ?
<Anakin> the washington plane either didn't exist or has been shot down
<minds> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6733&NCID=10
<minds> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6729&NCID=10
<airbag> exciting stuff 
<Anakin> Sources say a second plane was heading toward the Pentagon; F-16 jets were in the air monitoring it
<Gav> this i s gonna cost an awful lot of money... recession is gonna look even worse now... nevremind the hurrendous loss of life
<Anakin> i don't think this will change the economic outlookg too much
<Fury161> itll cost money to america surely
<brain_> any news from the taliban press conference?
<Fury161> not europe
<Anakin> that's due to happen in a minute
<Fury161> clean up will cost a lot
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<Anakin> it should come up on every channell
<Fury161> most likeyl
<Fury161> though they could deny it
<lickylip> could somone give us a running commentary on that press conference
<Fury161> I mena if they admit it - theyre signing their own death sentences?
<stimpy> i want my mummy
<Fury161> Im gonna head
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<Fury161> cyas people
<marvin> cya
<p> it's not opn yet
<stimpy> awwww
<colmmacc> yeah, they want to me martyrs
<Anakin> if they don't admit it and they were responsible i'm sure they've signed those anyway
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<colmmacc> the real question is "will he take the nukes out?"
<skyhawk> bush is such a fucking tool
<p> no way
<stimpy> yeah way
<colmmacc> this is bush
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<colmmacc> he might
<lickylip> he could
<lickylip> but he wont
<stimpy> he would
<skyhawk> his press conference lookied like someone had their hand up his ass working him
<paws> never
<marvin> as always
<huey> did bin laden have that press conference?
<fluffy> http://www.online.ie/newsflash/viewer.adp?article=1509094
<minds> dick cheney's probably dead now
<colmmacc> dick chenet ?
<marvin> vice p
<colmmacc> why ?
<skyhawk> pentagon
<minds> Heart troubles
<paws> dodgy heart
<lickylip> There is too much world pressure to not EVER use nukes
<fluffy> un confirmed reports that they shot down an aircraft
<minds> Meaning that Bush is now lost
<colmmacc> bush might use nukes
<skyhawk> where the hell are those missing planes id like to know
<colmmacc> just fissiles, small stuff
<minds> Or rather "would" now be lost
<lickylip> if he did, I'd say it would be his last act as president
<colmmacc> he's that ma
<colmmacc> d
<myk> well star wars project will be going ahead at triple time
<Anakin> bin laden is not having a press conference, it's the taliban ambassador to pakistan
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<stimpy> bush is the type of guy that would push the button if you called him "Chicken"
<Anakin> although bin laden has been known to stay in afganistan
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<skyhawk> wayching that second plane hit is sickening :(
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<colmmacc> yeah, there'll be footage of the first prob in a few hours
<minds> Me and whose army? THIS ONE!
<lickylip> this really sucks!
<colmmacc> very much so!
<myk> last imte anything comparable to this hit US territory it was pearl harbour
<skyhawk> major suckage
<colmmacc> 50k ppl
<colmmacc> fuck
<paws> I mean, thes second plane turned 90degrees so that it would hit with wings and body into the second tower
<paws> sick
<Anakin> chopper coming down near white house
<Anakin> nope it's at the pentagon
<skyhawk> do ya think the pilots flew it or the hijackers?
<Anakin> the hijackers, no pilot would do that
<minds> Hijackers
<lickylip> if I was a pilot told to do that I'd ditch into the sea
<paws> no pilot would do that unless they were suicidal
<skyhawk> id say the pilots were long dead by now
<Anakin> u crash it into the river before hitting the tower
<pazzy> this is really so sad
<skyhawk> thats what i tohught theyd wey there passengers againt a building full
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<skyhawk> the aftermath will be a scary time
<Gav> yea
<stimpy> reckon? what u think'll happen?
<colmmacc> they'll have to blow up most of south manhatten
<stimpy> nukes would be drastic.. who do u strike?
<colmmacc> anyone
<huey> us wont nuke anyone
<huey> no nation state to target
<lickylip> they cant win a war like that with brute force
<lickylip> they need to hit some fuckers covertly
<fatwa> this is the nutiest thing ever...but the worst seems to be over
<pazzy> this is terrorists - they can't just invade
<stimpy> this is america.. when have they NOT used brute force?
<skyhawk> imagine being on that plane
<colmmacc> plane would be better than in tower
<pazzy> or in the building - I head they were talking to somebody on the top floor of one of the buildings while it was on fire
<colmmacc> vastly better
<lickylip> they should know by now that if it isnt a government and a whole country then they cant fight a traditional war
<paws> not if you were told onece the plane was hijacked that you were going to be flown into the WTC
<colmmacc> they wernt told
<Anakin> i've got a copy of cnn's story at redbrick.dcu.ie/~anakin
<paws> although being in the upper sections of the towers would be the worst
<paws> "they werent told"...eh, how do you know?
<colmmacc> thank you conor!
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<fatwa> one of the girls in here, her boyfriened was in the second building , but he got out before it collapsed
<stimpy> jesus
<colmmacc> feck
<colmmacc> many get out ?
<paws> lucky guy
<myk> it was a 747b that went down in Pittsburg, you reckon the Air Force splashed that one?
<colmmacc> whats a rough toll on deaths? 30k ?
<paws> they had about 20 mins to evacuate before the first building collpased
<fatwa> yeah, i htink most of hte pople in the lower half got out
<p> h myk
<p> maybe the pilot did
<minds> That pennsylvanian plane was heading for camp david
<p> as soon as it was tried to be hijacked
<p> *shruig*
<fatwa> 81 peeps on first plane, 150~ on the second?
<paws> they could evacuate through the tunnels under the WTC (underground system)
<colmmacc> :(
<colmmacc> camp david? but pres wasnt there
<minds> http://www.online.ie/newsflash/viewer.adp?article=1509094
<myk> shit I'm going back to the slipper, only place i can watch sky news see you
<Gav> strange agenda alright.. ossibly just to piss bush off
<paws> hit big american landmarks
<paws> dont need to have the president in them
<fluffy> 60 or so on the 2nd plane according to cnn
<brain_> something ot do with the camp david accord(a middle east settlement of some form)
<paws> this makes pearl harbour look like ..like...well
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<brain_> and look what happened to the japanese?
<Anakin> yeah that was the major agreemne for peace in the middle east - it's pretty much in shreds
<skyhawk> which is the best to have on sky or cnn?
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<hippy> 40,000 dead
<paws> sky news website is still alive AFAIK
<Anakin> either they seem to have the same most of the time
<colmmacc> 40,000
<huey> all of the stock brokers have been selling there shares in insurance companies 
<stimpy> where did u get 40000 from?!?!
<paws> 25k in each tower: maybe 10k satuck above where the planes hit in each building..say 25k between the two
<colmmacc> about 3 lines up
<paws> those beneath the hits probably got out
<Anakin> they've only said 20000 dead between both towers
<stimpy> where was the figure 40,000 announced?
<hippy> my boss just told me now
<hippy> not sure wehre he got it
<stimpy> how'd he know?
<paws> nobody knows
<colmmacc> it'll be days before they know
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<stimpy> just a guess.. prolly accurate tho
<pazzy> its disguisting
<paws> probably not
<colmmacc> wonder what else will happen
<fatwa> thats probably too high....there was 20 mins between planes..plenty of evacuation time
<Anakin> there's huge q's of traffic getting out of washington
<colmmacc> looting is guranteed, maybe other things
<Anakin> independence day style
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<paws> 50k in whole building...40k dead of 50k is too high
<hippy> true
<colmmacc> yeah, but those towers fellon other buidlings/people!
<paws> only after a while 
<stimpy> yeah feels a lot like independence day... for some crazy reason
<paws> most people evacuated
<colmmacc> o.k. good good
<hippy> if you saw it in a film you wouldnt believe it
<will> funny how Arafat was one of the first to denounce the attack
<stimpy> true
<colmmacc> nah, he's a powerless twat
<Anakin> arafat would have need to distance himself from it real fast
<will> he looks suitably worried
<paws> well it wouldnt exactly help Palestine to attack US
<stimpy> would make an outstadning film this
<fatoni> any word on the taleban?
<will> tho... 10,00 PER TOWER
<paws> so it prob wasnt them
<will> ten thousand ppl
<paws> 10k what
<pazzy> in a film it would be calle unrealistic
<colmmacc> aye
<paws> its absolutely massive
<colmmacc> it was SO simple it's scary
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<will> Theres still several planes unaccounted for
<fatwa> yeah, i can't wait forf the made for tv movie  version
<colmmacc> shut up
<will> F-16's and Apache's around penatgon now
<fluffy> im amazed that they hyjacked so many planes in one go 
<bilco> He's right.... and they'll all star Brian Dennihy
<hippy> h pazzy
<hippy> bye
<hippy> quit
<homerj> They must have been planning this for years ... 
<stimpy> later
<keno> what if no-one owns up, they'll never know who did it cos the perpetraitors were probably burnt beond recognition in the crashes
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<will> heh.. and a mate of mine was heading to washington tmw...
<paws> nah, they could probably plan that in a few weeks
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<homerj> in some of the most well protected places in the world , how the hell do you get a bomb near capitol hill ?
<paws> as someone said, it was disarmingly simple
<fatwa> no way i'd say there hey're planning this for for years.
<paws> in a car
<Gav> how do you get a bomb into the pentagon !
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<fatwa> didn't mean that heartlesly thouy.  it is very sad.
<paws> THAT is the hardest to believe
<will> The revenge attack will be unmercifull.. Bush is already a trigger happy fellow by the looks of things
<paws> carbomb in the pentagon
<stimpy> was the bomb actually IN the pentagon?
<homerj> exactly ... this is incredibly werll planned , to have it all happen at almost the same time ... years of planning
<pazzy> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6738&NCID=10
<Anakin> damn connection went down, i assume ye know the taliban have denounced the attack..
<will> looks like it was beside the pentagon
<Gav> accoidng to rte.ie 2 bobms in the pentagon
<paws> well, you could use mortars I guess
<paws> c.f. IRA
<will> the whole front of one side is destryoed, which suggests the car was outside
<skyhawk> cnn are talking to tom clancy
<will> FOX news is right beside it
<paws> yeah I saw that fox guy pestering people
<will> Did you see them runnign down the street though, as the building collapsed??
<will> RIGHT out of hollywood
<colmmacc> yeah, as mad
<paws> yeah, but they were just joggin mostly
<paws> huge cloud coming towrads them, and they jogging..
<will> Yeah, untilthe smoke swallowed them up :)
<Anakin> it was 1 plane that went into the pentagon there's no mention of a bomb anywhere else
<fluffy> from online.ie:- The Anniversary of Camp David Accord, the Middle East settlement brokered by the US, is Sept 5-17, 1978
<colmmacc> it was kinda beautiful and graceful all the same, the way the towers went
<stimpy> why are they talking to Tom Clancy.. did his novels 'inspire' this or something?
<colmmacc> not that it wasnt sick and horrific
<paws> the second tower justwent...down..
<paws> spooky
<colmmacc> yeah, kinda in on itself
<Anakin> tom clancy would be an expert in this kind of thing..
<fatwa> the camp david thing isn't true, according to slashdot
<paws> replaced by huge cloud of smoke in its place
<will> Hm... a terrorist group in Afghanastan organised a press conference for this evening.... coincidence i wonder
<bilco> What would happen if Marshall law were declared (i.e. What does Marshall law mean) ?
<skyhawk> he had something like it in one of his books and apparently he has knowledge on this stuff
<colmmacc> slashdot are covering this ?
<will> really?
<stimpy> god .. new york without the TRade Towers.. weird
<fatwa> martial law  means the army take over from teh police
<tibor> bilco - its martial law.
<minds> heck, [T]ardOCP and Toms Hardware are covering this
<p> slashdot ar eprobably discussing it, just like here
<colmmacc> yeah, ILUG had it too
<Gav> martial law, military are in control
<will> Just shows how vunerable America is after all is said and done
<fatwa> holy shit, can you imagine the black boxes from teh planes?
<tibor> bilco - and it means all civl laws are revoked and the military are in ontrol.
<huey> martial law, u do what the soldier says
<paws> well they never had an event of this scale before
<bilco> cheers
<skyhawk> yeah the voice recorder will tella lot
<paws> wake-up call 
<will> I personally thought Pentagon had missile defence against incoming aircraft- though they didnt get much warning
<paws> it does
<minds> Slashdot say Camp David *CRASH* is false, not that the plane wasn't heading for it
<paws> but they're prolly unlikely to shoot down a passenger jet full of people, especially if they don't know whether its hostile or not
<stimpy> just gotta say... glad to have the internet :)
<fluffy> online.ie say the palne was heading for cmp david
<keno> u
<will> I'm taking bets now for who did it..somebody is going to get it BAD now anyway, yeven already you could hear eyewitensses calling for revenge
<huey> Islamic Jihad i heard
<Gav> i don't think the plane crash did too much damage to the pentagon, it was the bombs that did it
<Anakin> taking bets on something like this is bloody immoral
<homerj> Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on US interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist said today
<p> cause a plane wouldn't cause much damage
<huey> Osma Bin Laden just condemned it
<p> jesus
<will> anakin -> joke, fool
<tibor> http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6738&NCID=10
<p> planes are pretty big,
<phat> uh oh, apparantely I'm in the second most likely target in San Francisco, time to get out
<p> that'd cause huge explosion
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<will> thy're all condemning it i think , out of fear
<fluffy> planes full of fule make big bangs.....
<Anakin> i don't think any more major targets are going to get hit at this stage, at least not by planes
<Gav> it didn't hit the pentagon itself, hit a helipad outside it
<Gav> .....
<colmmacc> I dunno
<skyhawk> seems to have quietened donw however were are the missing jets????
<will> I reckon maybe ven the culprits wont own up, cos they will be completely gutted
<colmmacc> it's a classic strategy, stun first, then kill
<p> ahh righty
<tibor> "islamic Jihad movement" said that the "attacks were a consequence of US policy in the Middle East."
<homerj> Mr Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper, said Islamic fundamentalists led by bin Laden were almost certainly behind the attack of the World Trade Center in New York.
<stimpy> so Jihad claims responsibility?
<Anakin> sky news were just saying how the financial center of ny is now gone, they should bear in mind though that there are at least 2 mirrored sites with all the stock exchange puters outside the area
<colmmacc> cool
<colmmacc> backups that is
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<p> they don't have backups of people
<will> Oh thank god- at least he Stock excahange is all right
<colmmacc> no they don't :((
<will> I'm off :/
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<minds> any news on this WASHINGTON plane?
<colmmacc> cant get any news sites :(
<stimpy> there was only one.. and it was shot down/didn't exist
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<p> the wasbhingotn plane was the pitsburg plane
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<minds> mmh
<p> which was most likely shot down
<airbag> *fart*
<airbag> planes smanes
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<colmmacc> madness
<fluffy> http://www.online.ie/viewer.adp?article=1509278
<stimpy> ingenious madness
<airbag> wonderful ingenious madness
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<colmmacc> dont celebrate it!
<airbag> it is quite ingenious
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<stimpy> gotta hand  it to them
<airbag> I admire the scale and the balls to do it
<bilco> I would applaud the well organised project though.
<airbag> so all round lads wide spread appreciation for a well run plan
<stimpy> any more updates?
<homerj> they managed to kill thousands of innocent ppl ... you congratulate them ... maybe if some of your family were thjere you'd think a little differently
<minds> homerj, they're not applauding their actions, but their ingenuity
<airbag> kill thousands are you sure it was thousands
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<stimpy> how many planes in total.. I heard American Airlines are 'missing' 6 planes?!?
<paws> yeah of course
<paws> did you LOOK at the WTC at all?
<hippy> no, post the link again
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<homerj> no ingenuity invovled ... sad that people could be that sick to carry out something like that
<airbag> whether my family were in it or not it is gonna go downa as a well planned balsy attack
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<Anakin> google is caching cnn.com from it's front page
<bilco> nobody is aplauding the act, merely theorganisation
<homerj> theres nothing balsy about it you fucking moron ... 
<stimpy> no as evil as it is.. it was amazing how they got through american defences.. not applauding it at all
<hippy> yeh, its not great though
<homerj> theyre going to cause WW3
<airbag> yeah there is something balsy about it
<hippy> what'll bush do
<homerj> shutup you idiot
<hippy> they woulnt have done it if someone like clinton was ni power
<stimpy> bush is goin to retaliate
<airbag> fuck you wankshaft
<minds> lads
<homerj> if i was to go out with an AK47 and shoot innocent peopel on grafton stree would i be balsy ? no i'd be a fucking psychopath
<hippy> shutup everyone who's calling it ballsy
<stimpy> guys! chill!
<pazzy> I really pity some people with that attitude to life
<stimpy> is it all over or what?... nothing new on the news?
<airbag> you would be balsy yeah to do something like that on such a massive scale, depends how many you kill before been killed yerslef
<marvin> let's just call it well executed
<homerj> you're warped ... im sorry man but you're not thinkin straight
<stimpy> well that's me not doing any work for past 4 hours ;)
<p> this is where i introduce peoplle to the /ignore command
<airbag> I think I am thinkin straight, its a fairly simple point of view
<stimpy> good call kev :)
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<homerj> it doesnt require balls to do something like that ... it requires a messed up mind to think its the right thing to do ... theres a huge difference
<fatwa> maybe you shouldn't make your  inflammatory comments right now..wait for a few weeks
<airbag> The plan was outrageous don't you think just for the sheeer scale of it
<airbag> I am not denying its sick,wrong , etc etc
<stimpy> right better get work done.... tty
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<hippy> fucking hell
<tibor> fuck this - 2 more to go - http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6742&NCID=10
<hippy> celebrating in the streets 
<airbag> I am merely saying the scale of it is unbelievable that they would have the balls to do such destruction and not fear the consequences
<hippy> http://www.online.ie/news/viewer.adp?article=1509278
<bilco> I would applaud the well organised project though.
<p> we don'yt care
<p> anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that
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<hippy> palstinines celbrate in the streets
<airbag> I need your appreciation p, really I do
<p> you're just pissing people off, I mean come on, there's no need for it
<airbag> I'm not pissing ppl off I don't see how I am not echoing things that are being said already
<p> I see people that seemed to be pissed off by what you're saying
<skyhawk> ?
<airbag> applauding a well organised project does not get yer goat up but my comments do?
<homerj> No-one wants to know ... ppl here have friends/family over there ... think of other ppl b4 you start spouting
<airbag> I have relations over there
<Anakin> right i'm off
<huey> ppl here have relations in New York, have a bit of respect u fool
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<hippy> good  call anto
<p> oh look, the US now has a country as a target
<hippy> p ?
<airbag> ?
<huey> who dat?
<huey> which country?
<minds> Palestine
<p> palestine
<p> they're celebrating in the streets
<p> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395919.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre
<airbag> I'm sure the US will react with an equally efficient plan, *oops anyone got relations in palestine?*
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<fatoni>  http://www.irishguidelive.com/_news/article.asp?NID=6742&NCID=10http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395919.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre
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<skyhawk> flight from boston still missing
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<tibor> how the fuck can a plane go missing???
<tibor> it's not exactly a set of fucking car keys now is it ??
<Gav> i guess with all the chaos...
<paws> i doubt its missing, we're just not being told about it
<skyhawk> it's the only one
<skyhawk> flight 175 from boston to la
<p> not talking to air traffic control
<skyhawk> that should have been not the only one
<minds> Er, I can see that being shot down
<p> say so
<minds> http://www.ananova.com/images/news/trade_groundAP140x140.jpg
<skyhawk> i wonder are there any on there way to london
<tibor> air traffic control my arse... even if their not responding to that..they'd still be onradar
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<skyhawk> the more i see that second plane hit the iller i feel
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<Moridin> what's the latest?
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<david_> still packed in here 
<Gav> 1 plane seemingly missing
<david_> is this bin laden guy responsible ?
<skyhawk> lastest is 4 planes gone down 2 into trade center 1 into pentagon 1 in pittsburgh
<pazzy> http://www.irishguidelive.com/ is back up
<Gav> 2 into pentagon
<p> the planes that are missing are the ones that have crashed - it's just they havn't confirmed that it is indeed those planes that have crashed into the various places
<Moridin> was the pittsberg one taken down or did it crash?
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<p> shot down one or two websites have said, nothing on TV though
<Moridin> yea, that's why I was wondering
<p> if it was shot down would the press be allowed to report it?
<Moridin> dunno
<minds> Yes.
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<david_> any news on who did it ?
<Moridin> I did it!
<Moridin> muahahahhaa!
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<david_> you baskard !
<Moridin> with my SAW
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<Moridin> my SAW can take out anything!
<david_> nah honestly !
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<spock> hmm
<Moridin> muahahahaha!
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<david_> ya big eejit
<Moridin> waaaaait a sec
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<Moridin> YOU are calling ME an eejit? ;)
<david_> ummm YA !
<Moridin> riiight.
<fatwa> well, moridin, to be fair, you are acting like a fuckign ejit
<david_> haha ...
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<tibor> cyas
<tibor> im oiff home to watch it on telly
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<david_> so no-one apart from moridin about to claim responsibility ?
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<david_> fair enuff ...
<david_> see ya lot :)
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<bobb> ooh!
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<fatoni> so, who's still here?
<p> well looks like there isn't going tobe any more stuff thank god
<p> prolly just get more answers from now on
<fatoni> Thank God
<p> type /names -YES to see who's in here
<fatoni> Well Hopefully not.
<p> nah, stategically it would make no sense, they know the whole of the US is on alert
<stimpy> or u can type /user
<fatoni> I wouldn't say that the U.S. retaliation will be exactly bloodless
<p> wonder what kind of retaliation they'll attempot
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<Moridin> well if it was clinton he'd try and find the preson responsible
<Moridin> but bush?
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<Moridin> I bet he bombs the country the guy's in
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<p> clinton didn't find much after the embassy bombings a few years ago
<p> that was bin-laden's group too afaik
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<emperor> yo.
<Moridin> that's soc he was looking for the person and some proof I s'pose
<Fury161> Anybody have any latest news?
<emperor> Fuck. I was in NYC ten days ago.
<Fury161> The boreders of the US have been closed btw
<p> ain't muc you can do against this kin dof terrorism
<emperor> well, nothing justifiable anyway
<p> only real thing is try make yourself less of a trget
<Fury161> Its become horribly quiet now
<Fury161> after the chaos of earlier
<Moridin> yesh
<p> i reckon they should break up the us anyway, they're just a big monopoly, like microsoft
<Fury161> you almost expect another amid the "calm?"
<Fury161> split up the US ?
<Fury161> what do you mean ?
<stimpy> could be more planned tommorrow?
<Fury161> well who knows
<Fury161> they might be bidding their time
<Fury161> there are embassies around the world like
<p> joking - just saying they're a big target if it was a few smallers countires there wouldn't be a problem,
<Fury161> ah righty
<stimpy> or Israel could be Stage 2
<p> that's actuallyone of the woprrying things abou t being in europe
<p> if there's an EU army then we might make some enemies
<Fury161> well if it is Palastine terrorists then Israael is fucked
<p> although germany and the UK would be the big targets
<Fury161> we dont have a EU army
<p> not yet
<Fury161> and the EU hasnt interfered oin the same scale as the US
<p> yet
<Fury161> yet true
<stimpy> NATO is kind of a euro army
<Fury161> but we're too diplomatic and economic to want to make enemies
<Fury161> NATO isnt
<p> as the EU as a single force gets stronger the same thing will happen
<emperor> Tons of places have been evacced in europe, Canary Wharf was evacced very quickly
<stimpy> well has a lot of Euros involved
<Fury161> NATO is Russia and America mainly - with UK and germany and france
<Fury161> but mostly the US and russia
<Fury161> well I cant see Canary wharf being on the same level as the wtc
<Fury161> but yeha - take no risks
<emperor> what can they do though? who's been taking the blame? officially?
<Fury161> no one
<Fury161> as far as i can tell 
<Fury161> its just gone suddenly quiet
<stimpy> this day is gonna go down in history.. you'll be telling yer grandkids aboot this...
<emperor> Well Tony Blair kissed Clinton's arse all the way through their  terms, it's better to be safe than sorry
<Fury161> too right
<emperor> Oh I know... makes Oklahoma city look like a pea-shooting contest.
<Fury161> yes but britain is a follower, US is the shephard 
<Fury161> Well i was asleep
<Fury161> I woke up at 2pm 
<emperor> doesn't mean you don't shoot the sheep along the way
<emperor> I woke up at 4 pm
<Fury161> and turned on the Tv..
<p> less so now, what with kyoto etc..
<Fury161> next thing i see the wtc of fire
<Fury161> veyr true . but U sfigures higher in their minds
<Fury161> how many arab attacks have we had?
<emperor> There's never been something like this... a terrorist attack with the casualties one might attribute to the efforts of a nation's army
<p> well we aren't a big target yet
<p> that's my point
<Fury161> ah god yeha
<Fury161> i know i know
<emperor> Definitely. I think it's more safety and covering Brit heads are the reasons for the CW building being evacced
<emperor> so that means that the response to such an attack is also going to be unique and unprecedented
<Fury161> well for now the thing everyones think ing is "how will they  retaliate"?
<Fury161> exctly ?
<emperor> so they'd want to watch they don't screw it up.
<Fury161> nuclear ?
<Fury161> how do you respond ?
<emperor> nope, I doubt it, unless they're absolutely stupid.
<p> we won't see a nuclear attack in our lifetime
<Fury161> *ahem*Bush* ahem*
<emperor> See, this is why the fuckin' missile defence is SO stupid.
<p> *ahem* reality *ahem*
<Fury161> well star wars would have been useless against it
<emperor> You can't defend against frickin' planes.
<Fury161> ;-)
<emperor> Exactly.
<Fury161> and hijaccked ones
<p> I know everyone says bush is trigger happy, but noone will ever launch nuclear weapons
<Fury161> hwo do you win agaisnt an enemy that kills itself to get the target?
<p> wait till they all die out?
<Fury161> the US navy coulnt handle the kamakazes
<Fury161> well think of the number of terrorists against the number of civvies that are dead?
<emperor> Well the F-16's got one plane.
<Fury161> ah - so they shot down the pitsburgh one ?
<stimpy> there are 60,000 palestinians who would willingly kill themselves for Jihad... 
<emperor> exactly. Although there's a lot more 'office workers' if we could call it that...
<stimpy> no chance of them ever running out ;)
<emperor> office workers in the background on these terrorist attacks i mean
<Fury161> the Jihad will do anything . as we see today (if thats who it was)
<emperor> Not sure if they shot it down but they chased it off.
<p> where does it say that?
<Fury161> and what about the suspected bomb in the wtc
<emperor> I heard it was bound for the white house but I ain't sure
<Fury161> wonder what defence teh swhite house has
<Fury161> i know its SAMs but how effective are they 
<Fury161> and where is the president ?
<p> they have planes patrolling the white house
<p> they'll be more effective than the SAMs
<Fury161> washington is hardly the best place to be
<Fury161> well yeah but planes have to circle
<emperor> Whaddaya do against a 747 coming full throttle at you, a SAM will just splatter the debris
<Fury161> and radar has aradius
<emperor> You'd have thought the PEntagon would have the same kinda defences but nooo
<Fury161> yeah tootrue
<Fury161> the first place youd think to have defence would be the pent.
<Fury161> yet it has nothing
<p> noone could've imagined that thugh, people don't think of suicide bombers
<emperor> yeah.
<Fury161> you cant defend against suicide bombers.
<Fury161> either way - someone dies
<p> yes you can
<Fury161> yeah but if theyre that willing to die, the first sign the game is up they detonate
<emperor> But people imagine 'missles' that you have to defend against and then cry boohoo when they realise they've no need for it
<p> just requires a different mindset
<Fury161> even if they hadnt have hit the wtc, that would have been 150+ peopel deaed
<Fury161> so they still win
<p> yea, well then you stop it at the sourtce, people shouldn't be able to get weapons onto planes
<Fury161> its easy to quantify an enemy that is a missile or a tank or something
<Fury161> ah but there is no tangible source 
<Fury161> for all you know, there are Jihad all over the US 
<p> there is a tangible source, the gun or bomb or plane the person has
<Fury161> jsut waiting for the right moment
<p> this was the right moment
<p> this is their big thing, doubt they have anything bigger planned,
<Fury161> true, but this time you cant say "it was country XXX that attacked us"
<p> they just laugh and plan another attack for a fe years
<Fury161> well you never know
<Fury161> though yeah - its the biggest
<p> they won't be doing anything again anytime soon,
<Fury161> it almost puts the IRA in perspective
<Fury161> against the rest of world terrorism
<p> they only want big targets
<p> well the irc did bomb canary wharf
<p> ira even
<Fury161> but are they half as fanatical
<Fury161> the Jihad believe that by killing themselves they will get their place in "heaven"
<Fury161> so theh more they kill the greater their reward in heaven
<Fury161> its religious as opposed to the IRAs political drive
<Fury161> wel mostly
<p> The Flight Association of America has said that there are still 50 aircraft in the skies over America.
<Fury161> 50 ?
<Fury161> tehy must be military 
<p> yep
<Fury161> they cant be commercial
<p> y not
<stimpy> god that's amazing.. reduced from teh usual 5,000 or so
<Fury161> and if they are, then they are being watched very carfully
<humbug> www.click2houston.com has some stuff.
<Fury161> theyre not commercial cos all commercial flights from civvbie airports are cancelled
<p> yes,
<p> loads till in the air though
<Fury161> aye thats true
<p> they just stopped planes taking off
<Fury161> think all incoming flights to the US are being rrerouted to Canada
<emperor> There's no plane in the air that'd hit, all the planes from the USAF'd be all over them
<minds> Bye tehn
<Fury161> I wonder if martial law will be pushed... I mean its serious enough 
<minds> exit
<minds> er, whoops
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<p> i doub t it
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<Fury161> its one way of bringing calm back to ny
<Fury161> and who was it that said that tanks were seen in ny according to their friend in ny
<Fury161> suppose at this stage its just conjecture really...
<emperor> Nah, no need for martial law yet.
<Fury161> theres that word again - yet
<emperor> That's be a big backward move...
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<Fury161> at what stage can we say the worst is over
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<emperor> I've to head off now but I shall join ye in about an hour. The dishes won't wait for world peace!
<Fury161> hehehe
<emperor> when america retaliates ;)
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<Fury161> priorities
<emperor> talk to ye later :)
<Fury161> :-)
<Fury161> cya 
<emperor> cya andy
<p> www.click2houston.com  has videos of it
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<Fury161> pictures?
<Fury161> videos even
<p> has alive feed of the towers 9what remains)
<p> and video of the plane crashing into it
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<Fury161> well i dont think i could watch it again
<p> lots of pics of the pentagon
<Fury161> Im still amazed that the pentagon has no defence
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<Fury161> it jsut doesnt make sense
<p> yea is strange
<fatoni> A plus tard
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<Fury161> all your top generals in one buildins and no defence
<spock> Defense against what?  you cannot defend against these things
<Fury161> yeah but theres something 
<p> against a car bomb?
<spock> there was no car bomb
<Fury161> thres some confusion about whether it wasa chopper or a plane
<Fury161> though i think its a plane at this stage
<spock> at the pentagon?  Boeing 767
<Fury161> the FAA report 4 planes lost
<Fury161> confirmed at this stage
<p> apparentl the plane only hit the helipad misse dthe building
<p> was the 2 carbombs that did the damage
<Fury161> well what I mean is the white house has SAMs, pentagon ? diddly squat
<p> http://www.click2houston.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-95637120010911-090924.html
<spock> well 5 floors of the pentagon have collapsed, and it is still on fire.. I Think they hit it well enough ;)
<Fury161> wellone side of the pentagon is missing
<p> info on the pitsburg thing - some guy in a toilet rang 911
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<Fury161> its not the pentagon anymore
<Fury161> its the square
<spock> What are you going to do, fire SAM's at a plane filled with american passengers? over a populated area?
<Fury161> they did it with one
<Fury161> the pits one i believe
<spock> they did?  I don't think so!
<Fury161> are yousure
<spock> are YOU sure?  Cos no news agency is reporting htat...
<Fury161> well theyre kamakaze pilots so either way 
<p> dunno
<Fury161> the pasangers were dead
<p> ThePittsburghChannel.com 
<Fury161> cos theres no way the trye pilots were made fly those things into the buildings
<spock> the pilots were more than likely already dead
<Fury161> they would have jsut refused
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<Fury161> yeha so then - theres no way the terrorists would have given up
<p> the terrorists obviously knew how to fly the planes
<Fury161> that much is certain
<spock> this would have taken months/years of planning, research,a nd training
<Fury161> again asking the question how much planning went into this
<p> yep
<Fury161> you dont just hopinto a boing and zoom off
<spock> I'm not convinced it's a terrorist attacke myself, but time will tell
<p> what was it - aliens?
<Fury161> that wouldva taken ages to ttrain the terrorists
<spock> yes kevin, Aliens
<p> or an attack from us citizens?
<spock> nope
<Fury161> or was someone watching swordfish and reading too much itno it
<spock> I think it would take the resources of an entire country to do it
<p> well you're the one who always comes out with teh craxzy conspiracy theories
<spock> what a way to start a war
<spock> I dont' come out with crazy conspiracy theories, I just pass them on
<Fury161> 4 planes all get hiijacked at the same time ?
<p> terrorists have hijacked planes before, they have the rexsources to o it
<Fury161> two flown _straight_ into the wtc?
<p> they just had to coordinate it
<spock> Indeed
<Fury161> and there was no attempt to avoid the wtc....
<Fury161> it takes years to fly a boing properly... where did they get the peopel to fly them ?
<p> it's possible they tried it with 10 or so peple and only 4 of them got trhouhg, i don't think it's beyond the ability of a terrorist organization
<Fury161> and how did they get them onto the plane?
<p> they didn't need to fly them properly - they just needed to steer them,
<p> no landing no taking off - that's the hard bit,
<Fury161> have you seen those covkpits?
<p> they missed the pantagon 
<spock> no way, they were pro pilots, not just any joe soaps
<Fury161> they had to have had some training ..
<spock> see the way that jet was banking into the building?
<Fury161> if it was me, i wouldnt know where to start
<Fury161> aye , the plane jsut went clear into the wtc....
<Fury161> steered into it..
<spock> Pity allhte poor fuckers on the plane, imagine realising what was going on and looking out hte window
<Fury161> though why the wtc? wall street couldve _destroyed the US
<p> well obviously they'd need training - i'm just saying that they wouldn't need as much as a proper pilot sinc ethey didn't need to know how to take off or land, just get it in the right direction
<p> WTC - they're damn big - they're well know, easy to see and high profile
<Fury161> and where was the plane ehading that they turned around at went for NY
<Fury161> thats true
<spock> why the world trade centre?  The epitomy of american economic strength and symbolity
<p> pentagon on the other hand
<Fury161> pentagon is the seat of the US military
<Fury161> piss in the snakes nest basically
<p> i know, just a hrder target since it's not high, that's why they had carbombs too i guess
<Fury161> well you cant miss its shape from the air
<spock> The news on carbombs is very sketchy, no ACTUAL confirmations of them yet
<Fury161> brb
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<p> it was on irishguidelive
<spock> tjat trusty news source ;)
<p> and there was definative confirmation of a 2nd blast
<p> do you have anything to suggest it's not truxst worhy?
<p> (:
<spock> yeah.. "irish"guidelive ;)
<p> ohmygod - did you see the celebrating on the TV - fucking idiots
<spock> yep
<spock> course you see the americans celebrating when they bomb the shit out of Iraq and supply Israel with nuclear weapons, fighter jets, etc.
<p> Which is also crazy,
<spock> indeed
<p> there is a diference though, when the bomnbed iraq they bombed military points generally
<spock> hate to say it, but US policy over the years has brought this
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<spock> anyway, I'm off home, to watch it some more ;)
<p> cya
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<huskerdu> hey
<huskerdu> all watchin news/
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<huskerdu> ?
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<skyhawk> a lot quieter in here now
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<huskerdu> good evening
<skyhawk> hey
<skyhawk> tis all quiet in herenow
<huskerdu> yeah...was strange i was talking to people in town they said everybody was gathered round radios and t.v.s..something stranger than fiction
<skyhawk> no news of pitsburgh either no pics or anything
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<pazzy> what do you think the american response will be ... and when will it be?
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<esoteric> lo fewls
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<x> Welcome
<heavenly> HEYA 
<heavenly> AH CAPS
<x> you have CAPS on!
<heavenly> oh no
<heavenly> ok now
<x> ok thats better
<heavenly> 5 what a shitty day
<x> yep terrible :(
<heavenly> how do i go mesg n from here?
<x> press control+z to get temp back into a shell, then type mesg n, then type fg to get back to chat
<heavenly> sweetie has left us
<heavenly> !homer
<x> where has he gone
<heavenly> hey it works
<heavenly> bed
<x> Hmmm..didnt know about the homer command!
<heavenly> !trivia
<heavenly> ah
<heavenly> maybe its new
<heavenly> there are 170 hosp in new york all full
<heavenly> some patients are being taken out of state
<heavenly> 200 firemen died today
<x> and they are running out of blood (but the appeals should get donors by now)
<heavenly> did another building collapse fullt?
<heavenly> fully?
<x> both WTC buildings collapsed, and a chunk of the pentagon
<heavenly> 78 police officers are missing
<heavenly> god 200 firemen
<x> they estimate 20,000 were in the WTC at the time (unconfirmed) some say it could have been 35000
<heavenly> i cannot believe all this, it slike a film
<heavenly> hey x
<heavenly> shit! 
<x> yeah its like a disaster movie
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<x> Hi colm
<colmmacc> brb
<heavenly> its so terrible
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<x> wb
<colmmacc> yo
<x> were jsut talking about how bad this all is
<heavenly> i dont know why anyone would do this
<colmmacc> coe they hate americans
<colmmacc> lots
<heavenly> why involve innocent ppl in an act of war because that os what it was
<x> I think it was an economic strike - to possibly cause a recession
<heavenly> tony blair says that this is the new evil
<heavenly> do these arabs have much nukes?
<colmmacc> nah, not for economic reasons
<colmmacc> no nukes for arabs
<heavenly> twin towers symbolis ecapitalism
<x> arabs may have old soviet nukes - nobody ever proved it tho
<colmmacc> nah, they dont
<x> there is rumours the israliis have some nukes
<heavenly> pentagon symbol of usa defence and war
<colmmacc> they might have warheads
<x> pakistan/india may also have nukes
<colmmacc> they DO have nukes
<x> you could fit a small tactical nuke into a suitcase
<colmmacc> and delivery vehicles
<heavenly> yes india has a fair amount they even tried to get rid of some
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<heavenly> but this was organised within usa
<colmmacc> probably
<colmmacc> I still say mossad
<heavenly> 8 i am not sure if it was bin laden
<heavenly> 4
<x> I think whoever did it had a lot of experience - this was very professionally organised
<heavenly> 4 could be iraqis or gadaffi
<colmmacc> nah, neither of them
<heavenly> gadaffi's children were killed by usa bombs.. he could be waitinfg all this time
<colmmacc> he doesnt have the resources
<colmmacc> I'm sure he'd love to though
<x> I wonder does the USA have any idea who did it ...
<heavenly> it was so simple though
<heavenly> it didnt take much money
<colmmacc> not all that simple when u think about it
<x> planning was complicated but the final delievery was very simple
<heavenly> it was simple compared to okalahoma/nairobi
<colmmacc> thats the simple part alright
<heavenly> no complecated bombs
<x> bombs are also very simple devices. Its always the planning and not getting caught that takes the work
<heavenly> president bush is addressing the usa nation at 8.30 pm new york time
<x> there is enough info in a secondary school physics/chemistry book to build a big bomb
<heavenly> what time is that here
<heavenly> 1.30 ?
<heavenly> i might stay up
<x> I think so yes
<colmmacc> 2 am
<colmmacc> is what sky say
<x> I dont know if bush will provide any new info
<heavenly> a senator fromusa justy saud ut was an act of war
<heavenly> i think someone will pay for this
<x> if they know for sure who did it thay are SO dead
<heavenly> madeline albright was on cnn
<x> bombing them could become an election issue over there
<heavenly> she said it is premature to be indentifying any group
<heavenly> there had to be a government invilved
<colmmacc> israel
<heavenly> really?
<colmmacc> it just makes sense
<heavenly> are usa not on their side?
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